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Pestilence Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2007.09.02 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate.
As a player in piracy longer than the Muffinmen, this is incorrect.
Originally by: Tobias
Piracy is about the act, not about the location.
This is correct.
Funny how someone is quick to call people carebears and yet hug empire.
One of the first pirate alliances in game that actually acomplished something good was "The Pirate Syndicate (TPS)". They were a 0.0 alliance with the act of piracy. That was obviously before you came into the trade Cranberry Muffinman.
To answer the question of the original post though. Vile is still here and still hiding in the shadows in 0.0 piracy.
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Posted - 2007.09.02 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0
i actually agree with this, its not about a target being able to fire back, its about taking more risk that just your ship.
Prime example of how hugging empire for to long warps the mind.
Where is it defined that all pilots in 0.0 fight back? Far as I know, we as pirates operate in 0.0 for easy targets, miners, trade routes, and of course npc'ers (among other things). All of this happens in 0.0 as well Kessah. People do mine in 0.0, people do move full loads of minerals from one system to the other, very little actually trade, but more and more actually npc (for the ransom or kill).
On top of all of that, you have more pilots who only want to PvP (fight) than empire low security. No doubt about that, but that's not everyone. Open up your eyes...
0.0 is no security space. The controlling faction/alliance that has claim to the region has the right to provide their own security and laws. Thus piracy is an act against that faction/alliance. Just as it is with NPC factions/alliances in empire.
0.4-0.1 is low security empire aka EMPIRE. Big difference between the two. More resources, more stations to hide in, and a lot more items/skills/ships that is easier to buy. Low security empire piracy = easy mode.
Thank you and good nighT!
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Pestilence Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2007.09.03 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
i just want to let you know you have a problem with math like goonswarm your first corp who *pirates* was D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e from 2004.11.18 09:02 to 2004.11.22 00:40
i made the factory in mUfFiN fAcToRy from 2004.08.09 02:00 to this day
Yes, as Pestilence, which might I add is my alt and not my main. Not that I'm hiding with posting my alt, when you see my main.
None the less, Muffin Factory began on that date where deviance had already been well established. Meaning, you still have no ground to question those before you and have followed the paths of the established corps that yield and pass more knowledge down to the next generation at that time (me).
Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN People who pirate in 0.0 i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the security hit so they can run there precious care bear lv 4missions in empire.
As a 0.0 pirate, all my characters have below -5.0 security statuses. Thats because I still use empire for my supplies (I don't use alts for income either, all ISK is from blood) and I shoot people going in and out of 0.0.
0.4 to 0.1 security space is still considered empire. Hate to break it to you, but you're just highlighting how you hug empire. Which by your definition means "carebear". I tend to agree.
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When CCP implemented security hit for low sec kills they them selfs said here is the real pirates and here is the wannabes who go into 0.0 to get a kill on the weekends then go into empire in the week to run there missions.
Sure they can be pirates but in reality are just wannabe pirates.
You were not the first pirate in EVE. Who really knows who really was. Thus we are all wannabes. But if you want to get technical being you did quote your corp birth date, you were obviously after such corps as deviance, DC, Biomass, and all the other famous and somewhat famous pirate corps in EVE. Then you would still be a wannabe by numbers and facts alone.
Just to shoot out a prime example of a 0.0 pirate corp that everyone knows, it would be Burn Eden. Prime example of the statement that it's not the location but the act that defines piracy.
*salutes BE and corps like BE*
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Posted - 2007.09.03 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Pestilence Aligher''ri on 03/09/2007 15:49:13
Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 03/09/2007 08:15:55 If that where true then i guess everyone would be a pirate cause.
0.0 Alliances kill for rare ore mining rights "money"
Pirates kill for moduals and ransoms "money"
Mercenary's kill for "money"
Privateers sometimes kill for "money"
When a goverment/army takes over land to form a country. That would not be the act of piracy.
See, we all make money. As we do in life with jobs. We are not defined by the same job in life because that would be to confusing. So we try to simplify it more in defining what we do. That way when we say we are a dish washer, we are not refering to a doctor.
Welcome to EVE Cranberry
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Posted - 2007.09.03 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Pestilence Aligher''ri on 03/09/2007 17:12:32
Originally by: Geoff C Edited by: Geoff C on 03/09/2007 08:06:37 "where deviance had already been well established" lol
LoL ive been playing since the 1rst month of 2004 and i have never heard of deviance a group a nobody's perhaps?
Deviance is beyond your time. They are not forum warriors thus you prob wouldn't know who they were. They did control the north with such forum warriors as Forsaken Empire in 2003-2004. As well a number of other pirate corps from low security empire that made up The Pirate Syndicate.
Again all before your time.
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And you talking trash about low sec proves you suck at being a pirate cause you have to go to low sec and use warp bubbles to get a kill. No true pirate would talk trash about low sec thats for sure. Call yourself a privateer but not a pirate because you are sure as hell are not one.
I don't know about you but I don't pirate in empire because for the low sec. I pirate for the money and booty... Make more sense when you type...
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BTW just cause someone shoots a random person in a ally and takes his wallet doesn't make them a pirate that makes them a thug,
When concord recognizes you as a pirate your a pirate
This is the prime example why you are new to the trade or haven't had any real guidence. Which might be true from what your leader is spouting about
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Posted - 2007.09.03 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: IHurricane
Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 03/09/2007 08:15:55 If that where true then i guess everyone would be a pirate cause.
0.0 Alliances kill for rare ore mining rights "money"
Pirates kill for moduals and ransoms "money"
Mercenary's kill for "money"
Privateers sometimes kill for "money"
Thats exactly right tbh, the only difference comes down to how they kill and if they offer a ransom. No ransom = no pirate.
Yeah, try ransome someone at a gate in 0.0 and see what happens.
Ransom is cool if you can work it, but I wouldn't bother wasting time. Really, only new pirates maybe like the muffinmen would actually open a window of weakness for a ransom than just hitting and running.
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